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Post: #16  Posted: June 20, 2007, 4:00 AM Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why don't they have like a generic I guess measurement scheme so u can basically sit two pieces of hardware alongside each other and know without testing them or whatever which one is better |
Ghz is a measurment of frequency, they measure a CPU's clockspeed in Ghz (or Mhz or Khz or whatever you want to use) so it just refers to the CPU clock speeds, but doesn't take into account the CPU's Architecture. For instance a PD at 3.0ghz gets its ass kicked in every way shape and form by core 2 duos @ 2.0ghz despite the Pent D having a good ghz over it because of its inferior architecture.
I find it easier to explain through video cards then you just take the same basic layout to CPU)
The thing people often get fooled with in things like this is graphics cards (Where they think the amount of ram on a card means its a better card and don't take into account the other factors, such as memory bandwidth, memory type, shaders ,etc) And example of this is Knuckles has a 7600GS with 512mb and I have a 7600GT with 256mb, looking at that most people in 'idiots terms' as you called it would think his card is better than mine but I have a higher ammount of memory bandwidth as him (12.8GB/sec vs 22.4GB/sec), I am using a newer generation of ram (DDR2 vs DDR3, unless of course he has the DDR3 version)and I have higher clock speeds than him (400mhz vs 700mhz on the memory,560mhz vs 400mhz on the core). And because of these higher clocks I of course have a higher filtrate.
So when you look at these cards side by side there both 7600 cards, his has twice the frame buffer size as mine @ 512mg vs 256mb) so most people who don't know much about computers would go with the 7600GS 512mb, even though the 7600GT outperforms it in pretty much everyway.
(Sorry to pick on your card Knuckles its just a good example)
Also its almost impossible to compare products without some form of benchmarking.
Dunno if that helped at all, im not exactly the greatest teacher.
What are your system specs I could tell you how they compare to knuckles.
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| Post: #17 Posted: June 20, 2007, 6:19 AM Post subject: |
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that all makes sense thanks :p
i know my computer sucks (it'll be about 2-3 years behind by now), but i'm not complaining cos it can play n64 games full speed :p
but knowing all this might be handy when I get myself a laptop at the end of the year *evil laugh*
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| Post: #19 Posted: June 20, 2007, 3:47 PM Post subject: |
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| emwearz wrote: | | Well n64 emu's can run nicely on PIII's @ 600mhz or better |
I was playing Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 full speed with sound on UltraHLE on a Pentium 233Mhz w/MMX + Voodoo 3 2000 PCI  |
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| Post: #20 Posted: June 21, 2007, 2:16 PM Post subject: |
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| Knuckles wrote: | | emwearz wrote: | | Well n64 emu's can run nicely on PIII's @ 600mhz or better |
I was playing Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 full speed with sound on UltraHLE on a Pentium 233Mhz w/MMX + Voodoo 3 2000 PCI |
Oh I remember those days... wonderful 
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| Post: #21 Posted: June 21, 2007, 2:33 PM Post subject: |
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I was in love with RARE...am so crushed that Microsoft stole them *cries* absolutely ruined Conker (I hate a camera right up my character's arse) I so hope they don't remake Banjo-Kazooie...It will be a most foul day when they do.
Sorry for off topicyness :p N64 is still my favourite though, I only got to play a small selection of Gamecube games :p
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| Post: #23 Posted: June 21, 2007, 10:36 PM Post subject: |
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| emwearz wrote: | | Quote: | | I so hope they don't remake Banjo-Kazooie...It will be a most foul day when they do. |
BK3 has all ready been officially announced by Microsoft at X06. |
Oh god *cries* wells at least it's not a remake...
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| Post: #24 Posted: June 22, 2007, 4:13 AM Post subject: |
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| mhh... ok look.. back to topic guys. |
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| Post: #25 Posted: June 22, 2007, 1:25 PM Post subject: |
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| emwearz wrote: | | Quote: | | Why don't they have like a generic I guess measurement scheme so u can basically sit two pieces of hardware alongside each other and know without testing them or whatever which one is better |
Ghz is a measurment of frequency, they measure a CPU's clockspeed in Ghz (or Mhz or Khz or whatever you want to use) so it just refers to the CPU clock speeds, but doesn't take into account the CPU's Architecture. For instance a PD at 3.0ghz gets its ass kicked in every way shape and form by core 2 duos @ 2.0ghz despite the Pent D having a good ghz over it because of its inferior architecture.
I find it easier to explain through video cards then you just take the same basic layout to CPU)
The thing people often get fooled with in things like this is graphics cards (Where they think the amount of ram on a card means its a better card and don't take into account the other factors, such as memory bandwidth, memory type, shaders ,etc) And example of this is Knuckles has a 7600GS with 512mb and I have a 7600GT with 256mb, looking at that most people in 'idiots terms' as you called it would think his card is better than mine but I have a higher ammount of memory bandwidth as him (12.8GB/sec vs 22.4GB/sec), I am using a newer generation of ram (DDR2 vs DDR3, unless of course he has the DDR3 version)and I have higher clock speeds than him (400mhz vs 700mhz on the memory,560mhz vs 400mhz on the core). And because of these higher clocks I of course have a higher filtrate.
So when you look at these cards side by side there both 7600 cards, his has twice the frame buffer size as mine @ 512mg vs 256mb) so most people who don't know much about computers would go with the 7600GS 512mb, even though the 7600GT outperforms it in pretty much everyway.
(Sorry to pick on your card Knuckles its just a good example)
Also its almost impossible to compare products without some form of benchmarking.
Dunno if that helped at all, im not exactly the greatest teacher.
What are your system specs I could tell you how they compare to knuckles. |
So is my 7900GT 256 MB better than your 7600?
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| Post: #26 Posted: June 22, 2007, 1:51 PM Post subject: |
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| DR EGGMAN wrote: | | emwearz wrote: | | Quote: | | Why don't they have like a generic I guess measurement scheme so u can basically sit two pieces of hardware alongside each other and know without testing them or whatever which one is better |
Ghz is a measurment of frequency, they measure a CPU's clockspeed in Ghz (or Mhz or Khz or whatever you want to use) so it just refers to the CPU clock speeds, but doesn't take into account the CPU's Architecture. For instance a PD at 3.0ghz gets its ass kicked in every way shape and form by core 2 duos @ 2.0ghz despite the Pent D having a good ghz over it because of its inferior architecture.
I find it easier to explain through video cards then you just take the same basic layout to CPU)
The thing people often get fooled with in things like this is graphics cards (Where they think the amount of ram on a card means its a better card and don't take into account the other factors, such as memory bandwidth, memory type, shaders ,etc) And example of this is Knuckles has a 7600GS with 512mb and I have a 7600GT with 256mb, looking at that most people in 'idiots terms' as you called it would think his card is better than mine but I have a higher ammount of memory bandwidth as him (12.8GB/sec vs 22.4GB/sec), I am using a newer generation of ram (DDR2 vs DDR3, unless of course he has the DDR3 version)and I have higher clock speeds than him (400mhz vs 700mhz on the memory,560mhz vs 400mhz on the core). And because of these higher clocks I of course have a higher filtrate.
So when you look at these cards side by side there both 7600 cards, his has twice the frame buffer size as mine @ 512mg vs 256mb) so most people who don't know much about computers would go with the 7600GS 512mb, even though the 7600GT outperforms it in pretty much everyway.
(Sorry to pick on your card Knuckles its just a good example)
Also its almost impossible to compare products without some form of benchmarking.
Dunno if that helped at all, im not exactly the greatest teacher.
What are your system specs I could tell you how they compare to knuckles. |
So is my 7900GT 256 MB better than your 7600? |
if you google 7900GT vs 7600GT, you should definitley see some results. But seeing how Nvidia tends to like to make the cards better as the number increases, i would assume so. I have a 8600 GTS overclocked to 560 mhz with 256 mb gddr3 ram with more shaders than the other cards, and more cycles per, but it gets pwned by the 8800, which has a giant amout of bw, shaders, and if you tie them together, its like ultra pwnage. Also, everything below the 8800 has a hardware limitation of not being able to use Antisopitric filtering and HDR at the same time. The 8800 was too expensive tho
So yes, your card is probably better than his
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| Post: #28 Posted: June 23, 2007, 8:06 AM Post subject: |
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| emwearz wrote: | Come on guys, Knuckles just asked if we can go back on topic, lets respect his wishes, If you have hardware related questions lets use the off-topic.
Knuckles I was wondering how much did it slwo odwn by using the recording software? |
I was gonna suggest maybe for future video releases and that, to speed up the videos to match the actual speed? Or embed some kind of recording coding like some emulators use :p but i thought it sounded a bit n00bish so i wasn't gonna comment
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| Post: #29 Posted: June 23, 2007, 8:52 AM Post subject: |
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| Low Lines wrote: | | I was gonna suggest maybe for future video releases and that, to speed up the videos to match the actual speed? Or embed some kind of recording coding like some emulators use :p but i thought it sounded a bit n00bish so i wasn't gonna comment |
Thats like lying to viewers, even if you tell them that.
It's better for it to be slower than faster, no matter what. |
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| Post: #30 Posted: June 23, 2007, 12:10 PM Post subject: |
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| ExodusC wrote: | Thats like lying to viewers, even if you tell them that.
It's better for it to be slower than faster, no matter what. |
Don't PCSX2 speed up their videos though?
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